So the exodus of World Industries riders to Girl happened while Sean was in the office. How was that, was Rocco raging?
SC: It was a weird time for sure, I mean all those guys left without really saying they left and turned up at the San Francisco contests with the Girl logo on their shirts. Rocco had no idea; this was all totally blind side. I was away a couple of months; during that time his brother Sal started Bitch Skateboards in reaction, which caused more grief (laughs).
DC: Bitch is kind of like this shoe [Dave holds up his one off DC shoes, with ‘Fuck’ and ‘You’ written across the toes and bright pink penises adorning the sides]. If that company had actually gone into production and gone full on, it probably would have been very successful.
SC: Well it was…
DC: In Japan!
SC: That got licensed out to Japan for, like, eight million dollars or something. We were shooting the Jackass movie in 2002, we were in Japan in this park, and this little old man walks past with a Bitch ballcap on. This dude is no less than 70 years old! But yeah, they made bikinis, boogie boards, all sorts of shit with the Bitch logo on it.
A Bitch boogie board would be a sight to see…
DC: It would look so weird on a wall of skateboards, then all of a sudden this giant boogie board.
So with all the other things that you guys got shit for – was there ever any backlash for the Andy Roy interview in issue 22?
SC: I don’t actually remember anything coming back from Andy Roy’s – Bill Weiss’ probably had the biggest…
DC: Someone just asked me who in skateboarding today I’d interview who’s like Andy Roy and I was like, “Do you know anyone in skateboarding today who’s addicted to heroin and whose nickname in prison was The Snuggle Bandit?” No, because Andy Roy is Andy Roy, and I love that guy.
SC: Apparently he’s playing a big part in the upcoming King of the Road.
DC: Well he’s sober now. He basically works in the warehouse at Deluxe, and he does skate classes, he’s a skate coach now. You can see videos of it and he’s still the same you know, “Just fucking go for it”; he’s like a little kid, just sober now. Deluxe did a great thing recently where he yanked a tooth out with a pair of pliers, put it in a box of Spitfires and if you got that box you won something like a year’s supply of Spitfires. That’s what skateboarding is!
Which article would you say you regret running the most – the Depends Diaper Olympics, the PLG street interview or the Snakeboard advert?
DC: Which one we regret most? Was there a street interview with PLG? He was street skating?
SC: That was after my time so I can’t comment on the PLG article, but the snakeboard ad – I’d completely forgotten about that until we went back to doing the book, seeing that was like “What the fuck?!” It’s blurry, it’s just crazy.
DC: I don’t remember that, but my comment on ads in general is this; there was a big uprising because Transworld suddenly became a telephone book. They had so much advertising and there were army ads, there were L’Oreal ads. Everyone was like, “fuck L’Oreal, fuck Transworld” and I was like, “I’d put that in my magazine, if L’Oreal wanted to advertise in BB” – I’d fucking take their money. The worse the ad was, the funnier it was to me. That was one of the only things I liked about getting the magazine back from the printers, because we didn’t get to see the ads being in editorial. I didn’t really see the ads until it came back from print and that was when we’d get to see, say, Natural Koncepts every month. That was always a surprise, “Let’s see what those fucking mushroom heads did this month…”
SC: In issue 12 we did scan an L’Oreal ad and gave it a page (laughs).
DC: Maybe that’s why they sent advertising to Transworld: they couldn’t remember what magazine they were in. The PLG street article, I’m guessing that’s the time when vert skaters weren’t making any money because all the money was in street skating so they all needed to show off some kind of street skills. I’m guessing there was something with PLG ollieing down some stairs or something…PLG was actually another damage control one. I said something, comparing the coolness in skateboarding and I said something like, “Would you rather have someone cool like the Muska or some dork like Pierre-Luc?” I let that go to print…I remember talking to PLG in a hotel lobby one time like, “Dude, I’m sorry”.
SC: I remember doing one of those BB reader surveys, “Which skater is your favourite shitbag or something”, then getting Weiss and Sheffey in my face at a tradeshow over that.
DC: They are shitbags though!
SC: But that’s not what they want to be known as.
DC: The thing about the PLG one was that, while I was apologising to him, I didn’t apologise exactly but I remember reasoning with him and trying to explain that he was a dork – “You get it right? You’re a vert skater, you’re a dork?” He was like, “Yeah, yeah, I guess so.” He’s great, it made me feel really bad because I do really like PLG.